Sir Alf
12:33 Wed Jan 17
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Agree Canvey. Mavrapanos didn’t have a shocking performance imo but was one of 3 players who performed ( Emerson, Fab the other 2 ). But a defender like a goalkeeper makes a mistake then everything else is forgotten or ignored. The Greek fella has to work on his concentration and decision making because there is a useful player there.
I would add or suggest that Fabianski’s immobility and age / slow on his feet was a contributory factor as a slightly quicker keeper would probably have got there just in time although risk a pen of course. But that’s the decision making or thinking part that Mavrapanos needs to work on. Don’t think it helped him being in an unfamiliar system of back 3 but early on especially and being aware of Fabs age, don’t take the risk. He’s had 3 situations now leading to a goal although his own goal from a header was something a lot of defenders experience. But tge point remains, work on your concentration and thinking etc
That is part of what the coaching team should do. Even when I played back in the Victorian age, albeit only intermediate level, manager would say about being careful with back passes and awareness etc
Anyway. last night proved Moyes operated with half a squad. 13 or 14 players of 25. Wasted money on 10 or 11 really
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Gary Strodders shank
12:27 Wed Jan 17
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So the playera and management get another nice break after Sunday's game until Bournemouth on the 1st February.
A chance to recharge the batteries and a bit of warm weather training in sunnier climbs maybe.
Last nights performance was an insult to those that attended but as far as Moyes and co are concerned it's all about preparing for the league fixtures and having the players fit and ready for pushing on in the Europa.
European qualification will ultimately keep Moyes in a job and the domestic cups are just a distraction as far as they are concerned.
It is obvious the squad as it stands is just not good enough so all a case of keeping the first eleven fit and capable to perform when it really matters.
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dealcanvey
12:16 Wed Jan 17
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Think the only players on the pitch that showed some willingness and intensity was Emerson who played well and Mavrapanos who had a shocker.
Cornet, Benrahma and Ings really all need moving on and players that actually want to be here need to come in.
Think if VAR was in play Bristol would have had a couple of players sent off.
We however looked like we did not want to be there. Serves them right for not putting them to bed in the home leg.
This weekend going to be interesting without key players!
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fraser
12:12 Wed Jan 17
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Matthew Holmes wrote...
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2nd string fluffed their lines.
Couldn't be arsed. Bigshot I'm a premier league player attitude and got found wanting.
We know who we can let go
Definitely the one responsible for the state of them David Cunting Moyes
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southbankbornnbred
12:11 Wed Jan 17
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But 'awful' performances are what really matter at the end of the day. You can have a whole squad of fully match-fit, committed tackling machines - but if they put in what, by your own words, are 'awful' performances...then the team is fucked.
I take the broad point you're trying to make. But you can't just cast aside 'awful' performance as though that's a mere irrelevance.
Cornet, Ings, Benrahma and others last night were plain awful. As they have been too often. Benrahma is frustrating - I thought he'd made progress last season and, this year, he's back to being entirely ineffective too often.
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Come On You Irons
12:10 Wed Jan 17
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Our back up players have always been poor and the squad has always been wafer thin under Sullivan. These persistent issues with the squad depth pre-date Moyes by years.
Sullivan and his cronies on the board are to blame for it to a large extent. Moyes follows the line as he likes to use a small squad of 'trusted' players. Its idiocy is highlighted when injuries mount up.
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Matthew Holmes
12:09 Wed Jan 17
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2nd string fluffed their lines.
Couldn't be arsed. Bigshot I'm a premier league player attitude and got found wanting.
We know who we can let go
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PastyTime
12:08 Wed Jan 17
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Im glad I only had to travel 2 miles to watch that. Fair play to everyone who made the journey. Dismal set up and performance.
Playing Soucek and JWP on their own in the middle is just suicide. Im getting very concerned that the management cant see it.
Playing wingbacks and having Beeny and Cornet out wide as well was just odd.
I thought Ings did ok, bearing in mind the service he had - and Johnson played well and deserves to start the next game.
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Nick QQQ
12:06 Wed Jan 17
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Not withstanding some of the awful performances last night, people keep missing the point in my opinion. Bristol City were a bunch of match fit, aggressive, committed players.
We were a bunch of unfit, uncommitted, scared in the tackle players. Mainly because most of them haven't played a lot and still get played out of position.
Ings being the exception who is just shot to bits.
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southbankbornnbred
12:04 Wed Jan 17
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And Danny Ings remains one of the worst players I've ever seen in a West Ham shirt.
He can't play Moyesball as a lone striker. But even that aside, his legs have gone and doesn't have the mobility to be a threat in the top two divisions any more.
He would need to join a team that plays two upfront - and can afford the luxury of him playing off a bigger target man. That's the only future for him. Otherwise he's as useful as a chocolate teapot.
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southbankbornnbred
12:01 Wed Jan 17
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Somebody on here bent my ear the other day when I suggested that Cornet - like Ings - just isn't up to it at the highest level. They'd wanged on about him not starting ahead of Fornals etc.
Well, last night - against a bang average Championship side - was a chance for him to prove people wrong. He was woeful. Others were, too, so it wasn't just him.
Lots to do to this squad to make it fully competitive more regularly than the few occasions we can put out our strongest XI.
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southbankbornnbred
11:57 Wed Jan 17
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We all know about the pros and cons of Moyes.
But what last night reiterated beyond any question was just how poor some of our backup players are.
Ings, Cornet, Benny (a forward line without a single goal between them this season) and several others last night.
Mav looks nervy and like a mistake waiting to happen. The terrible backpass for the goal screwed him and his passing after that was dreadful. Somebody needs to get onto him about his composure etc.
We are quite poor once we get a succession of injuries - and the Afcon stuff has heaped further problems on us.
Even the kids don't look ready because we're not loaning them out properly and making sure they're battle hardened by the time they get an opportunity.
I fear we've screwed the situation with Divin. Not sure if he's good enough, because we haven't made sure he's played a high-quality of lower league football and really learned the ropes - yet every now and then we ask him to step up to Premier League etc standard.
There's still a lot of work to do at West Ham.
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Come On You Irons
11:56 Wed Jan 17
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Moyes basically signalled his intention to throw the game in his pre-match interview. Disagreed with the interviewer that it would be a shock if the team currently 14th in the Championship beat the team 6th in the Premier League. Disgraceful and almost a sackable offence in my opinion.
He is a defeatist, dour cunt.
I'm sure Sullivan was pleased we lost though, so none of what us punters think matters.
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1964
11:48 Wed Jan 17
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I'm split on Moyes, frankly overall he's done OK but I don't like his style of football either, always on the back foot defending, slow to start games.
Last night the players let us all down, not a lot he could do about it.
True we should have better strength in the squad but who exactly is at fault for that? Sullivan must take some blame as well as Moyes.
... and why are we always dithering in transfer windows.
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Takashi Miike
11:47 Wed Jan 17
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he's so fucking useless, he set up with wingbacks yet still used two wingers ahead of the wingbacks. It's abysmal 😂
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Takashi Miike
11:45 Wed Jan 17
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there was nothing wrong with alvarez or fornals. he could have also included earthy as another midfield option, there's no defending his bollocks
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El Scorchio
11:36 Wed Jan 17
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I don’t want to overly defend him but I’m not sure what other players, given who was unavailable last night, he could have actually picked.
Emerson at LB and Cresswell on the bench with Mubama starting is probably it.
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1964
11:34 Wed Jan 17
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If you'd had taken:
Moore
Peters
Hurst
Charlton
Ball
Hunt
out of the '66 team
Styles got sent off for a stupid retalliation and Jack Charlton made a backpass leading to a goal
Would we have won the World Cup?
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Takashi Miike
11:23 Wed Jan 17
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the FACTS are, he went on to a cup game against a mid table championship team with THREE goalkeepers, NINE defenders and just two options in midfield (one, of course, his pet potato salad). those defensive numbers are what international managers take to a world cup/euros. that jock cunt wants that many available in a winnable game against inferior opposition
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Manuel
11:22 Wed Jan 17
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There is, or use to be, a saying that the lower ranked sides only get one chance of beating their 'superiors' what would normally happen last night is that we would nick it 0-1 and restore normality, but no instead we could have all turned it off after 3 minutes as those cunts can't hit a barn door. I really did not expect a repeat of the first game last night, but shockingly that is what happened. How do you play 180 minutes against Bristol City and look completely shit over the whole piece while sitting 6th in the PL, it's a real head scratcher and surely Sullivan and Co are asking the same question. This has really left a nasty taste.
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1964
11:13 Wed Jan 17
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Takashi Miike 11:01 Wed Jan 17
A PRATT like me never defended anything, I stated a few facts.
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